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Post by Betsy on May 21, 2007 22:44:11 GMT -5
I am happy that WRC-4 and Pat Collins are not letting up. I just got word that Midtown members are no longer able to bring meetings into Avery Road. This is the 1st treatment center to throw them out..It looks like the message is pretty strong.
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Post by RD on May 22, 2007 13:30:43 GMT -5
Kolmac does not knowingly refer clients to Midtown meetings.
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Post by tigerlily on May 22, 2007 13:31:23 GMT -5
There's a new report on the channel 4 site. www.nbc4.com/news/13361410/detail.html I really hope that some of the other ex-girlfriend's of the Q Group hierarchy come forward as well. There are many of you out there and your testimony could save a newcomer. It's the right thing to do :-)
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Post by anonymous on May 23, 2007 18:57:05 GMT -5
BB, Silence does not mean what you and the rest of the people on FOM are saying is true. In fact many of the people here have never been to midtown, and have no idea what happens there. I've been there to support a family member and gotten to know several of them, and I couldn't be happier about the group.
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Post by mm on May 23, 2007 19:04:03 GMT -5
for the parent - i bet you your daughters are totaly honest now that they are sober? and i am certain they would tell you about all the sexual exploits in there own group? I am certain they are so delightfully happy to spend time with you and the family now they are with midtown? give the girls a choice of Midtown or Christmas with the family and guess what - you will loose. if you have not lost yet - more will be revealed. Mike Q has been this way for over 25 years, now there are new avenues of attack - the www. nothing changed 20 years ago when he lost everything - certainly wont change now. there are just more avenues to expose MQ -
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Post by Betsy on May 24, 2007 23:43:21 GMT -5
To the poor parent above..You have no idea what goes on in that group. So you have been to a few of their meetings to support family. That is well observed by the hierarchy. They know when parents are there and they behave differently around any possible situation that could jeopardize the cult. I have been sober many many years and this has been going on longer than you can imagine. The only thing that has changed in that group is that it has gotten larger and the sexually transmitted diseases are reaching epidimic proportions. Abortions remain at a high level in that group. Women and girls are used for sex, tossed around, and dumped only to be told that they aren't doing enough for others. Families have been torn apart by this group. Children of the groups members are neglected. Vocations and education is frowned upon..but...they aren't drinking or doing drugs!! Wow So you have a bunch of young sober girls that have no respect for themselves, their families or anyone. You have a bunch of young sober men that are learning how to abuse women. And..then you have the elder hierarchy that are sicker than the young ones. You had better get a grip and face the facts and get your children as far away from this group as possible. There are too many stories and too many people coming forward that now is the time to parent your children. Get your head out of the sand. And pray!
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Post by Concern on Jun 4, 2007 21:33:41 GMT -5
Whenever you have self-governed groups of social misfits like many alcoholics, you are bound to have trouble now and then. Sponsorship is not about being self governed The label, sponsorship, did not come from A.A. nor is the word mentioned in the BIG BOOK, Steps or Traditions. Sponsorship lacks altruism and is the downfall of the A.A. message. Sponsorship came from recovery places that that are out of business today that injected it into A.A as a whole thus creating a sect in A.A .not of A.A which is altruism and brotherhood.– The message of A.A. is clear “ God could and would if sought”– Sponsorship challenges another and discriminates against the faith in God that one has. The belief of God’s ability to intuitively handle situations that use to baffle them is again the message of A.A. but not sponsorship. You can count on if it doesn’t come from ones own heart (personal willingness) it is not A.A. its sponsorship and sponsor ship is not about being self governing. Hold the sponsor responsible not A.A. All English definitions of the label sponsorship goes against the A.A. program a label that is not even in the text Book Alcoholics Anonymous A.A’s, Steps or Traditions!
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Post by alcoholc on Jun 5, 2007 8:32:05 GMT -5
Whenever you have self-governed groups of social misfits like many alcoholics, you are bound to have trouble now and then. Sponsorship is not about being self governed The label, sponsorship did not come from A.A. nor is the word mentioned in there BIG BOOK. Sponsorship lacks altruism and is the downfall of the A.A. message. Sponsorship came from recovery places that injected it into A.A as a whole thus creating a sect in A.A .not of A.A which is altruism and brotherhood. – The message of A.A. is clear “ God could and would if sought”– Sponsorship challenges another and discriminates against the faith in God that one has. The belief of God’s ability to intuitively handle situations that use to baffle them is again the message of A.A. but not sponsorship. You can count on if it doesn’t come from ones own heart (personal willingness) it is not A.A. its sponsorship and sponsor ship is not about being self governing. Hold the sponsors responsible not A.A.
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Post by bbmarc on Jun 9, 2007 1:22:50 GMT -5
Noted...let us know how that is working out for you.
Have there been any new developments about midtown lately?
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Post by bbmarc on Jun 9, 2007 10:20:41 GMT -5
Also, even though it has little to do with midtown, sponsorship actually came from the oxford group. Our founders used the phrase even before there was AA. The only reason there was no mention of it in the Big Book is because they didn't want people to believe that they needed direct contact with the founders in order to work a recovery program, however that proved to be more effective than reading the book alone. Bill W. Stated that few got sober on the book alone. You can find in the stories of early alcoholics refering to Dr. Bob as their sponsor, and even in his talks Bill W. Uses the phrase frequently. Dr. Bob stated that the job of a sponsor is to help facilitate the transition of relyance on self to relyance on God. It has been my experience that when I rely on self to establish my contact with god, it dosnt work so well.
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Post by bla on Jun 11, 2007 17:24:30 GMT -5
midtown found a new location
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 11, 2007 22:31:09 GMT -5
^ where, pray tell?
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