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Post by notinmybackyard on Aug 2, 2007 15:09:35 GMT -5
We have spent alot of time talking about the problem on all the public comments and blogs. Its clear we are all not going to agree on a solution, but perhaps we can start a solution based discussion thread. Thanks.
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Post by Jane D on Aug 2, 2007 16:22:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see NY reach out to Mike Q and the other leaders to express that they feel Tradition Four has been broken, and discuss how Midtown can work on a 9th Step amends--discerning their part in this (which would likely come from an intensive group inventory--like a big 4th step--that there are forms for).
If the group is willing to "go to any lengths" then take it from there, you know?
If the group is not, then I think it might be time to take away their group number and remove them from the Where & When.
It might even be that those actions are done on a probationary basis, regardless.
I don't know, really.
On the one hand, you want a group to be able to be honest and upfront with themselves and others......
......but, I'm really not sure if this group is constitutionally able.
I think that the name "Midtown Group" to refer to anything other than ONE meeting at ONE location ought to be mentioned by NY. Though, aside from that one flyer they put out last year, I'm not sure there's any way to "prove" or "enforce" that notion.
So I guess on that note, I believe that NY needs to hear a strong message from all of us urging them to make an unprecedented move in an unprecedented situation.
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Post by notinmybackyard on Aug 2, 2007 18:12:28 GMT -5
Thanks for your post, Jane. The problem here is that NY/GSO has been given direction NOT to get involved. Everyone is being directed to the Washington DC Delegate. If the Delegate heard from alot of people, I still don't think she (Kiki) would/could do anything. If someone has her contact information, please post it. If no one posts it, I'll find it and post myself. There is no one with authority to take away their group number as their Intergroup (WAIA) is controlled by Midtown members. However, WAIA could stop listing them in the local directory. But that's a REALLY tall order unless more group reps start showing up at their meetings and voting Midtown members off their Board and committees.
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Post by JP on Aug 3, 2007 18:52:42 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I just joined this site, very interesting stuff... Just wanted to let everyone know that the GSO will give you your area delegate's contact information if you haven't gotten it already. (I've already contacted myself and asked for Kikki's info. I didn't feel it was right to post since this was a public forum ) Big attendance at the next General Service Assembly meeting for the WDC area is the 13th of August. If enough outrage people show up the issue of Midtown will need to be address. Kikki really has no say in the issue, she is elected by the people of her area to carry their voice. She actually answers to the AA GSR reps. As far as any other offers for a solution-I think it was the CFG myspace site that has a standard letter you can sent to local political official. I think that is great idea. If the attorney general for Maryland gets a thousand letters, eventually he'll have to answer to another reporter as to why nothing hasn't been done about Q and his followers. If the authorities don't get them on the rape, maybe it will be about extortion, or even withholding medication-all carry a liability issue. I encourage everyone to check it out the letter and sign it/send it. Great idea to start a "solution" thread.
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Post by notinmybackyard on Aug 3, 2007 21:30:25 GMT -5
Great idea, JP. You bring up an excellent point, the Delegate (Kiki) is supposed to carry the message of the the local groups to the National GSO. The catch here is, Midtown controls many groups and therefore has many GSRs. I also understand she is supportive of Midtown so that's why it is important for ALL local AA groups to send their GSR's to the General Assembly. That's been a tough issue to overcome.
I strongly recommend all of those who want something done about the Midtown/Q problem, to review the letters posted by CFG and sent them to the resources posted. If nothing else, please contact Kiki and let your voice be heard.
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Post by Brad on Aug 4, 2007 22:45:15 GMT -5
Funny, I was hoping this would be the discussion of a solution for how to fix/replace/renew a meeting that has been an incredible part of so many people's recovery. Or, at least, a discussion of how we can all help keep it from happening anymore. It seems that we are still stuck in what to do about those who have been abusing a power they should never have.
I've been increasingly distanced from the people at Midtown over the years but I still like the place, the volume and the total sobriety. Can we keep this in mind as we talk about next steps? I want a big Sunday night meeting that is safe AND cool for newcomers (especially young ones) to experience. This should be part of our concern.
Part of me wants to think that the publicity has done enough to stop all the wrong-doing and those guilty will stop. At the same time I would hate to become an enabler for the behavior due to my own desire to stop thinking about it. I'll keep thinking about it. Can the rest of you spend some time thinking about how to save Midtown the AA meeting and less on how dismantle or defend the Q group? Thanks!
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Post by Barbara P on Aug 19, 2007 9:52:23 GMT -5
Sounds like the persecution continues.
What are we talking about, ethnic cleansing in AA? Or is it Ethic Cleansing? Seems like they are targeting groups that have a strong sponsorship and fellowship ethic.
Get them pitchforks, go get 'em!
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Post by huhhh on Aug 23, 2007 11:31:57 GMT -5
Regardless of the truth or no about the claims... I am pretty confused here. What is it exactly that Kiki and/or GSO can do? We are an AA meeting. There is nothing that can be done to stop us from meeting. There is nothing that can stop us from reading AA literature. There is nothing that can stop us from helping new people. Would you prefer we all got drunk or something? Your message is confusing. Ours is if nothing else, clear.
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Post by Jane D on Aug 23, 2007 11:49:43 GMT -5
I definitely don't wish drunk on you or anyone else!
My preference is that if ANY group calls themselves "AA" that they do their best to align themselves with the principles of AA.
If they decide that those principles don't work for them for whatever reason, then I wish them well, but ask that they leave the AA name behind as well.
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Post by notinmybackyard on Aug 23, 2007 20:50:39 GMT -5
Your wrote "Your message is confusing. Ours is if nothing else, clear."
You can't be serious, have you read all the posts by the Midtown defenders on the WP blog? I know you posted there but did you actually read them??? What's clear to me is Midtown is comprised of some really confused folks who think attacking and name calling is the way to handle themselves. You make yourselves look bad without help from anyone else. Open mouth and insert "keyboard." Ideas for solutions were shared on many of those posts by some wise old-timers in this program. But you would have to be open-minded first which might be a bit of a stretch for many of you. Its one thing to be ignorant of what was being done by some of the leaders, but quite another to turn a blind eye when the truth has been exposed.
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Post by jospher on Mar 17, 2012 1:57:10 GMT -5
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